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+-----------[Computational consciousness issue - 04/19/2000]-=--
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 I've been in over my head before, and it hasn't stopped me  |  self
 yet.  This  one looks like quicksand, though; grab hold of  |  reference
 that branch before you plunge in.  Nerd stuff ahead!        |
                                                             |
                           [So you want to be a robot queen]-=--
                                                             |
 Please see this relevant Toadex Hobogrammathon submission:  |
                                                             |
 "plz to  betsy  I  mean  Ignore  thirdy wipers, let us  be  |
 wipers of pies, schmock schmock!"                           |
                                                             |
 I hereby solemnly swear that I am sober and of clean mind.  |
 Chemically.                                                 |
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                             /--/-----[Begin the regression]-=--
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 My original  intent was to group  together links  relating  |  summary: I
 computational  self-reflection,  recursion, or duplication  |  collected
 to consciousness.   As the following  addle-brained  lumps  |  some links
 will  convey,  I  have  somewhat  succeeded, and  somewhat  |  and here
 failed.   I will  come back and read  all these  books and  |  they are
 articles that I do not  understand now at some later date,  |
 and perhaps then a narrative  will coalesce.  But for now,  |
 this is an unfinished  pile of rambling.  You were warned,  |
 but then that's what you expect by now, right?              |
                                                             |
                                                   ...    +  |
                                                             |
 Nothing  particularly  AI-centric,  although  this  formal  |
 reference is a  good  starting  point;  I am concentrating  |
 more on what happens when machines  become self-aware.  It  |
 seems to  me that  their experience, if the  camel's  back  |
 breaks, will  appear  quite  different  than  the  "human"  |
 awareness I feel I have.                                    |
                                                             |
 Anyway, what pushed  me in? This capsule info on operating  |
 systems  leads  oddly   in,  as  the  same  site  holds  a  |
 tremendous  computational reflection static log.  This has  |
 got nothing to do with mirror trickery.  Or does it?        |
                                                             |
                             [First I might need some logic]-=--
                                                             |
 Factasia Logic [frames], my  one stop  shop for all things  |  all sites
 logic, needs  little introduction.   Logical  Revolutions,  |  should be
 Past and Future is only one of  the  interesting papers to  |  like this
 be found there.  See the AI section for more.               |
                                                             |
                 [Then I will pause to stare at the scenery]-=--
                                                             |
 Machine self-reference page with robot illustration!        |
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                            [What is known about the brain?]-=--
                                                             |
 This came  up at  work  recently,  and  some  kind  person  |  reflogs
 dropped it in my reflog.   Shufflebrain: How  does a brain  |  rule
 store a mind?                                               |
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                             /--/------------[Two web books]-=--
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 Around  Gödel's  Theorem,  on  online  book about  --  you  |
 guessed it -- Gödel's theorem.                              |
 Best section: Is Mathematics "Creative"?                    |
                                                             |
 Also need to set aside some time to read Peter Suber's The  |
 Paradox of Self-Amendment.  Online books are neat!          |
                                                             |
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+----------------------------/--/-----------[Ripped, part 1]-=--
                                                             |
 Time is well spent in  Doctaaar  Chess's archive rummaging  |
 through for the consciousness chunks.  Here's one:          |
                                                             |
 Hard Problem:  Can it be argued that consciousness doesn't  |
 even exist or can't  be proven?   Why, yes it can.  Better  |
 commentary on this someday, I swear.                        |
                                                             |
 The  main Problems of  Consciousness section explores  the  |
 basic  logistics   behind  all  the  raging  philosophical  |
 warfare around consciousness.                               |
                                                             |
                                                             |
+----------------------------/--/-----------[Ripped, part 2]-=--
                                                             |
 Some  amazing  things  linked in  Abuddas  Memes  lately.   |  abuddas
 Usually I cannot grasp most of  what  happens there, which  |
 is  the  sign of a quality log.  A little  while back, the  |
 author romped through  much of  the same pastures  I would  |
 also like to tromp through.                                 |
                                                             |
 Quanta and Consciousness has the essential web feel to it.  |
 Truly tons of information here, and I  have hit several of  |
 the sub-pages in my queries.                                |
                                                             |
 Can Consciousness Be Approached Scientifically? is  a good  |
 question with a fair linklist to back it up.                |
                                                             |
 Bruce MacLennan's The Elements of Consciousness and  Their  |
 Neurodynamical  Correlates.  Quite  the title.  This deals  |
 with the aforementioned "hard  problem"  -- adjusting  the  |
 scientific   worldview    and  our   views   of   everyday  |
 consciousness to mesh together.  The  author puts together  |
 some fantastic analogies,  which  have really cleared some  |
 corners for me.                                             |
                                                             |
 The Origins of Selves  traces the  path of  the individual  |
 self   from   Descartes  through  modern-day  analysis  of  |
 multiple personality disorder.                              |
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+----------------------------/--/--------------[return (0);]-=--
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 Perhaps,  the likely  outcome will  turn into  a  combined  |
 epiphany; organic and machine, carbon  and electricity, no  |
 longer at odds.                                             |
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 Stretch toward the light, my robot friends.                 |
                                                             |
 Grow with the power of reflection.                          |  the end
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+-------------------------[Tangents possible for the future]-=--
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 Machine functionalism                                       |
 Fuzzy logic                                                 |
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+----------------------------/--/-----[Disconnected chatter]-=--
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 "Computers are an extension of my own stupidity."           |
                                                             |
 "Just imagine you are a dog."                               |
                                                             |
 "Computers  are an  extension  of my admittedly impressive  |
 collection of material goods."                              |
                                                             |
 "pondering the uncomfortable"                               |
                                                             |
 "Computers are an extension of my heart."                   |
                                                             |
 More of that non-conversation here for now.                 |
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                                                             |
 Last week of log.  It was fun, or something.                |
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 legos and robots: Designing electrical nonsense             |  /
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    bach and tone: The endlessly rising canon of links       |  /
       eigenspace: Eigen wha?                                |  ///
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    occam's razor: computational reflection                  |
   vinyl stuffing: the long playing past                     |
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          buddies: personal perception and the net           |
     pita wrapper: perl posting app for pitas                |
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